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Are you a business owner, executive, leader, team leader, aspiring future leader, leadership junkie, a scientist, a design thinker, or simply the leader of your own life? If you are, then you are a leader, and as such, you should be experimenting!

Welcome to The Experimental Leader, a podcast where we tackle the ways leaders are experimenting in their own work. Hosted by Melanie Parish and Dr. Mel Rutherford, we dive into the most interesting questions about leaders and get into real-life conversations about how people might be experimenting with their leadership. What they are trying? How they are leading and managing their flow of work and throughput? How are they managing bottlenecks, mission, vision, strategic, operational, and tactical intents? How do they organize experiments? How do they succeed? How do they fail? How do they collect data?

The loneliness of leadership can be overwhelming, especially when a leader gets promoted and doesn’t have a roadmap for how to lead. They might feel like they are supposed to have the answers, and yet they have to figure out what that really means. The hardest part can be not having anyone to talk to about their leadership journey.

  The show’s guest in this episode is Frankie Berkoben. She is an executive coach and sought-after speaker who works with leaders at top companies like Google, Airbnb, and the White House. She helps high-achieving professionals break free from overwhelm and inconsistency, unlocking clarity, confidence, and sustainable success. Combining design thinking, the scientific method, positive psychology, and ADHD expertise, Frankie empowers clients to perform at their best without relying on grit or willpower. Her systems-based approach digs into neuropsychology to address the root causes of friction, optimizing for success by shaping the right conditions. A behavioral psychology expert, Frankie makesRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Dr. Liz Cavallaro. She is an Executive Coach, Adult Development Scholar, and co-author of Forging Queer Leaders: How the LGBTQIA+ Community Creates Impact from Adversity. She co-hosts the Forged in Fire LGBTQ+ Leadership Podcast and shares her research widely through journals, conferences, and keynotes. She currently serves as a tenured Associate Professor of Leader Development at the U.S. Naval War College, working with senior national security leaders to deepen self-awareness and cognitive capacity. Dr. Cavallaro has also taught at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and Bay Path University. She holds an Ed.D. in HumanRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode are Leah Kedar, MS, MCC, and Robin Goodbary, MBA, MCC. They are both Master Certified Coaches with extensive expertise and impactful approaches to coaching. Leah is an ICF Advanced Certified Mentor Coach and a two-time recipient of the ICF Prism Award for coaching excellence with the National Institute of Health and the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. Known for her ontological and integral coaching style, Leah focuses on honoring the full humanity of her clients while supporting them in achieving personal, professional, and organizational goals. Robin specializes in Business and Leadership Coaching as wellRead More
    —   Listen to the podcast here  Five Years of Experimentation: A Conversation with Melanie Parish Hi there. I’m Mel Rutherford. I’m McMaster University’s first transgender department chair, and I’m the co host of the experimental leader podcast. For the last four years, I’ve been learning about leadership and experimenting with leadership in my role as department chair, some of the things I’ve been thinking about recently is how to implement values based leadership. I’ve started my term as chair determined to center values, and today I actually was reading the literature on values based leadership. AndRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Tara Landes. For over 25 years, she has helped 300+ small business leaders tackle operational challenges. A certified change management practitioner and licensed influence trainer, she leads Bellrock’s management training programs, graduating 950+ students, and has delivered nearly 100 presentations to organizations like TEC Canada and CPHR BC & Yukon. —   Listen to the podcast here  Unlocking Operational Excellence with Tara Landes Hello. I’m Melanie Parish. I’m an author and an executive coach, a team coach, and it’s great to be here with you today. Hi. I’m Mel Rutherford. I’mRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Jaime Mann. She is the founder of The Amaryllis Project, blends psychology and leadership expertise to empower teams and individuals through connection. With 15+ years of experience, she helps leaders thrive using positive psychology and behavioral science. A coach and lifelong learner, Jaime is pursuing a Master’s in Leadership Psychology. She also loves reading, karaoke, and all things sparkly. —   Listen to the podcast here  Leadership Through Connection with Jaime Mann Hello, welcome to the show. I’m Melanie Parish. I’m an author, speaker, facilitator and executive coach. Hi. I’m MelRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Pat Broe. He is a best-selling author, mental health advocate, and sales and marketing professional. Pat’s journey is both inspiring and deeply personal—overcoming anxiety, depression, and even a life-threatening moment to become a passionate guide for others seeking authenticity and confidence. Through his raw storytelling and practical advice, he empowers people to tackle modern mental health challenges and embrace ‘The Real Confident You.’ With experience ranging from radio hosting to business consulting, Pat brings a unique and powerful perspective on living a happier, more fulfilling life. —   Listen to the podcastRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Marie Deveaux. She is an executive leadership coach, DEI consultant, and international speaker with 20 years of experience in corporate training and development. She has worked with organizations like Facebook, Spotify, and the Ford Foundation, focusing on fostering self-awareness, compassion, and effective communication to build cultures of belonging. Marie holds a Master’s in Management, is a Professional Certified Coach, and enjoys baking and audiobooks in her downtime. —   Listen to the podcast here  Fostering Belonging Through Leadership with Marie Deveaux Hello. I’m Melanie Parish. Welcome to the show. I’m anRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Julianna Newland. She is an author and communication expert with over 30 years of experience in writing, public affairs, and government relations. Based in Indianapolis, she has worked in state government, nonprofits, and a Fortune 500 company. Her love for writing began as editor of her university newspaper and continues to shape her career. She lives in Indianapolis with her husband, journalist James G. Newland Jr., and their son, Patrick. —   Listen to the podcast here  Navigating Public Affairs and Storytelling with Julianna Newland Hello. It’s great to be withRead More
  The show’s guest in this episode is Shirley Engelmeier. She has helped global Fortune 500 companies and emerging organizations develop and implement DEI initiatives that drive business results. With her passion for teaching businesses to leverage inclusion to drive employee engagement, productivity, innovation and retention, Engelmeier began to share her philosophies and thought leadership on DEI in books designed for c-suite leaders and executives. —   Listen to the podcast here  Driving Business Success Through DEI with Shirley Engelmeier Well, hello, Mel. It’s great to be here with you today. Hi Melanie. I’m Melanie Parish, and I’m oneRead More

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